Ross explains how he was only let under the shroud of the kayfabe on the way to his first match in 1974. He was told that he was going to do a “ten-minute Broadway in the first match.” Ross was told that a “Broadway” was a draw and went on to referee the match. The kayfabe was huge, and today it is nowhere near as prevalent in professional wrestling.
Ross is asked about the old-time wrestlers distain for Hulk Hogan because Hogan apparently did not know how to shoot (real fighting) or how to wrestle. Ross explains how it was partially true that guys like Danny Hodge and Karl Gotch did not think he was good at either. In their opinion, according to Ross, “if [Hogan] was out at a bar and someone wanted to fight him he would lose and make them all look bad.”
“There are so many lineages when you look at wrestlers,” and “all of these Japanese wrestlers and Japanese MMA fighters come from the lineage of Karl Gotch.” Ross and McCarthy begin to commend the fighting style and accomplishments of Gotch and another “next level” wrestler Danny Hodge. Danny Hodge never lost a wrestling match in college, and the award given to the top high school wrestler is named after him. Both McCarthy and Ross claim Danny Hodge as one of their heroes.
When McCarthy asked Ross who he believed the all time greatest wrestler was, he chose Stone Cold Steve Austin because of Austin’s ability to market himself and his brand. Ross chose Brock Lesnar as the best active professional wrestler because he is “the biggest attraction in WWE.”
Many of the techniques used by these wrestlers are the same as those developed from catch wrestling. A common move with two different names in catch wrestling and professional wrestling is the “double wrist-lock” and the “kimura” according to Ross.
According to McCarthy, MMA is one of the greatest sports for entertainment because “it’s not judo, it’s not jujitsu, [rather], it’s a combination of all of those things.” He reiterates how the fans are the most important people to a sport, and [all those involved with the sport] must look to entertain them.
In the closing of this episode of Lets Get It On Big John McCarthy announces his decision to step away from the podcast and is thanked graciously by Sean Wheelock.